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    Posted: March-30-2007 at 9:27am
I have 8 QH that have suddenly started balding. They are not "shedding" they are going completely bald in mass areas of their bodies. It started a month ago on a 2 year old gelding. At first I thought that he was scratching trying to get shed off until it started spreading to areas that I know he cant rub against his stall. It started on his face and moved to his arm pitts and shoulders. Before long there were large areas over his body that were completley bald. Now it has spread to all 8 of my horses. They have been checked for everything from equine lice and mites to parasites and fungus. Nothing. Its not rain rott. The skin is NOT irritated or red at all. It looks perfectly normal. They have their uslual energy and are eating and drinking normal. Everything seems fine but the fact that they are going bald. They are all current on their shots, have negative coggins, and are on a regular deworming schedule. My vet doesnt seem to have a diagnosis and has advised me to monitor them, but it is getting really bad really fast. He treated them for parasites and mites to be safe and no improvement. I have had horses my whole life and never seen anything like this. Does anyone have any ideas of what this might be? Has anyone heard of anything like this? I can provide pictures if that will help. I am desperate. It is very frustrating not knowing what I can do to help them. I fell really bad for them and I am at a loss. When I brushed one of the mares this morning ALL of the hair over her right hip and butt fell out. It is completely bald now. Im getting worried. I would greatly appreciate all of the help I can get.
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I have a 2yr old Paint filly that is doing the same thing.Hope someone can give us some info here...
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It sounds like a form of Mange to me, the vet would have to take a deep scrap of the skin to be certain.
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Mine have been tested and nothing,... not parasites,.. not mange,.. nothing. Everything "appears normal" and Im sorry but this is not normal. The vets have checked them for everthing under the sun and no diagnosis. I am about to have to send one of them to a specialist.
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Send me a photo of what your horse looks like that wouldbe helpful.
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According to The Merck Veterinary Manual it sounds like this is what they have:

Sarcoptic Mange:
Sarcoptes scabiei var equi is rare in the USA but is the most severe type of mange in horses. The first sign is intense pruritus due to hypersensitivity to mite products. Early lesions appear on the head, neck, and shoulders. Regions protected by long hair and lower parts of the extremities are usually not involved. Lesions start as small papules and vesicles that later develop into crusts. Alopecia and crusting spread, and the skin becomes lichenified, forming folds. If untreated, lesions may extend over the whole body, leading to emaciation, general weakness, and anorexia. Negative skin scrapings do not rule out the disease; biopsy may establish a diagnosis. If suspected, sarcoptic mange must be treated. Organophosphate insecticides or lime-sulfur solution can be used by spraying, sponging, or dipping. Treatment should be repeated at 12- to 14-day intervals at least 3-4 times. Alternatively, the oral administration of ivermectin or moxidectin at 200 g/kg can be attempted. Several treatments are required 2-3 wk apart. It is important to treat all contact animals.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/72003.htm

Here is another link to a site that talks about skin conditions found in horses

http://nd.essortment.com/horseshealthpr_rmha.htm

Chorioptic mange is commonly referred to as 'foot or leg' mange and is most frequently seen in draft or draft type horses. Affected horses will have extreme itching of their legs.

Demodectic mange is rare in horses. Horses generally show signs of alopecia (hair loss) and scaling of the head, neck and withers. Itching is variable with each individual. There is no effective treatment in large animals. Spontaneous resolution may occur.

Sarcoptic mange is a very uncommon contagious disease of horses. Again, these horses itch like crazy. The mite is usually on the head and ears but may infest the entire body. Treat with an ivermectin product once every two weeks for three treatments.

Psoroptic mange has been eradicated in horses in the United States. The major clinical signs in horses are intense itching. The mite is commonly found around the ears.

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i dont know if this will help but it covers some causes of hair loss withiout any othre signs of irritated skin
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http://nd.essortment.com/horseshealthpr_rmha.htm
this also covers a lot about hairloss without itching
it could be

Seasonal Alopecia

Sometime in the spring a horse or pony can experience seasonal alopecia where large patches of hair shed and the new hair growth is not present yet, this leaves bald patches on the animal and new hair will grow within a month

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Many people are having problems with seasonal alopecia this year.  I've  heard the same complaint from people all over the country.
 
Unless the skin appears irritated or the hair isn't growing back in, I would give it some time.
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Try applying Aloe Vera to the skin - it will keep the moisture in the skin and help to encourage the re-growth of all the hair etc. Obviously if it is Mange or something like that, treatment of the original cause will need to happen first.


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OK everyone, sorry that it has taken me so long to get back but I have been at a specialist out of state with one of my horses.

After allot of time and money the diagnosis was Seasonal Alopecia. What is, is due to the sudden change in climate, the horses have started shedding before the summer coat has started growing in. If you watch after a few days you will see very fine and thin hair growing in the bald areas. That is the start of the summer coat. It will be very thin for a while, but it will continue to grow and cover the areas. There is no treatment needed as the hair will continue to come in naturally.

It would not hurt to use MTG or products like it to help it come in faster but it will come in without anything. The only thing is to becareful for sunburn in the bald areas. I put sunscreen on mine before turning them out in the pasture.

Im not sure if this is the same thing that everyone is experiencing in their horses, but watch the bald areas for very THIN and FINE hair to come in. It might only be visible from an angle at first (that is what I have noticed). If after a week or so you do not see ANY hair growing in the bald areas then it is something else.

The vet said that this might not happen to every horse in the barn it all depends on the horse and the heat. If the horse it too hot then this will happen.

During the winter I add corn to the feed to help them stay warm (corn helps produce body heat) so the vet thinks that my horses were hotter than the other horses in the area due to the extra heat and that it is a good possibility the corn might have been what triggered this condition. Not exactly the corn,... but the heat produced by the corn. So for those of you who feed corn that are having this problem, the corn can be part of the problem.

I am also glad to add that several of my horses now have a thin summer coat,... its not much but it is there and it is steadily growing.

If you would like you can email me at peachiekeen83@hotmail.com to talk more about it. I hope this is what is wrong with everyones horses. Keep me posted.

Thank you for all of your help and suggestions. Just watch for hair regrowth before you go to a vet or specialist, trust me you will not want to get that bill,... I dont even want to talk about how much I just spent.

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Yep, seasonal alopecia is very prevelant this year. The weather changes have been so abrupt.  We were having 80 degree weather in March.   And then it snowed here yesterday....
 
 
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I have a serious hair loss problem at my barn also.  8 horses affected.  It is some kind of mite.  I have been worming with Ivermetin every 12 days and it has been working.  I also have been using cedarcide and a pymitherin(spelling?).  Most of my horses are now gaining their pretty summer coat but its been a hair pulling situation on my part!  I thought they had some kind of rain rot because they are outside alot even in wet conditions.  I treated them with a fungicide 3 times a week for 3 weeks and they just kept getting worse.  If you figure out what it is let me know but try Ivermectin and the two sprays they have worked for me.  Good luck.

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You wouldn't see hair loss with sarcoptic mange in areas that the horse can't scratch.  And you can usually see the lice and their nits if you look closely at the hair.  Also, with severe infestations you will often end up with the mites on you after coming into close contact with the horse (like picking feet), the mites will make you itch but they won't stay on you. (The two cases of lice that we saw this past year were both found because the  mites crawled off  on me during an exam.)

If the hair doesn't start growing back in a couple of days or the horse seems exceedingly itchy, have a vet take a look at the horse.
 
 
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I had a vet take a look.  She didn't know either.
 
It started in the mane.  In front of the withers.  I also noticed that it was scruffy in that area first.  I started using teaclenze because I thought it was a fungus.  It kept getting worse until whole areas were bald.  The vet told me to use Ivermectin which I did and it got better but soon came back.  All but two are looking good.  But its taken three wormings within 12 days of each other with Ivermectin and a couple of treatments of Cedarcide and a pymethrin spray.   I also heard of using a lime sulfer treatment but haven't tried it yet.  It has really driven me nuts!!  Its got to be some kind of external parasite.  Last summer was really wet, hot and humid.  I wonder if that has anything to do with it.  I've seen a horse with lice and its not lice.   It's obviously not a fungus. 
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everyone who is having this problem look up through the posts I have made in this topic. Read them all,... I found the answer and I posted it and all the things u can do.
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Hi,

Did you ever find out why your horses were having hair loss? I am having the same problem with my horse.

I would appreciate if you could share your experience with me. I think this might be a case of Seasonal Alopecia, but it is the wrong time of year for this to be happening.

Your comments would be appreciated.

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It appears that my horse just had a case of Seasonal Alopecia. All of the hair grew back after a month. His Summer Hair fell out before the Winter Hair came in. I guess the horse's hormones get Screwed Up With the unseasonable weatherIt
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Hi Peachiekeen Wink

It's been a while since you posted this comment but I tell you what it really helped me tremendously!!  Our horse has several low spots on his coat with balding by his eyes and across forehead. I wasn't terribly worried but I sure did look it up online because it did cause some concern.
After reading your posts which describe the problem perfectly I was really glad to find out it's relatively benign issue. As for the weather it's been really cold and really hot off and on so I am sure that Jet is reacting to that. Besides that he started shedding heavily about 2 weeks ago and it's still pretty cold at night so I thought that he was 'tricked' into shedding by the warm days... all of these changes I believe are what led up to this condition.
Well again thanks for all the info and for sharing it with us!!!Smile
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ClapThanks for the photo!! This is exactly what my horse looks like on his butt...small patches of hair loss. Sure glad to know it's just a seasonal thing and that it will pass with time...
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